O.K. I actually drank this wine with baroloman at a dinner. It was drinking very nicely. Still had some tannnins left, good color and depth for a ten year old Zin. But I don't care for the distinctive minty, eucalyptus flavors. They were a bit too much for me, but fans of Heitz Martha's Cab, and some of the Joseph Phelps cabs would like this wine.